Polt vs Jaedong

holy shit polt, where has that macro been all year?



Dem marines in game 3.



Game 1 & 2... Mines *sigh* (looks really difficult to borrow and always be efficient)

Game 3; Don't worry, just marines from WoL

Game 4; I guess Jaedong played pretty bad, or just took some risks that didn't pay off.

Point: I'm not saying that Polt is bad, or even worse than Jaedong, but = A Terran who makes mines, do not need to be of even or better skill than the Zerg he is facing.



whiskey l2p



Jaedong needs to learn to make infestors vs bio. Ling/Bane/Muts just doesn't cut it vs someone who can consistently split and run back into mine fields.

He would of won game 3 if he made some infestors to lock marines in place.



wow widow mines are so fucking stupid what on earth am i watching



Do you guys all forget how Life crushed Flash using the same tactic? Also, 3-5 swarm hosts destroy mine fields. Zerg had Infester/BL in WoL, now Terran has Bio-Mine. boohoo.



That's the problem though; Infestor/BL was broken and had to be fixed - which it was. Bio/mine is broken and NEEDS to be fixed, and it hasn't. It isn't even the bio really; mines are just a stupid unit. Mines are pretty much the only part of HotS that I dislike. Drilling Claws is just insult to injury. What was Blizzard thinking? Removing research on siege-mode wasn't enough AoE? Seriously?



The problem isn't Widow Mines. The problem is unit -micro and skill cap for each race.

Terran is essentially a race with no skill cap because the unit micro possibilities for them is endless, but it comes at a cost of having fragile units. (Glass Cannon)

Zerg race, is a race with strong unit stats, but there is a limit to how much you can micro the units.

In the TvZ matchup, you NEED to micro your Zerg units or else they will just get kited to death into a widow mine field. Obviously, Jaedong's inability to micro and tech switch/upgrade when he was ahead in hatcheries cost him the series, even the casters knew this.



good games. That Day9 though, what a tool.



#9 unlimitedbrigade

Terran might have unlimited micro possibilities, and yes... Maybe even fragile units. BUT, the thing is that you don't need to micro Widow Mines - They cost nothing, and just one hit on almost anything, is enough to make it worthwhile. And in these cases with Jaedong, we see a simple Widow Mine (that is just randomly borrow) annihilate entire groups of zerglings and banelings.

I don't mind the AoE damage or the damage of the Widow Mine. I just don't understand why it has to be so "no skill required to use", when it is that powerful. Any bad Terran can pretty much turn the tide of the game against a Zerg, with just a single Widow Mine hit... As opposed to the Zerg, who really has to fight his ass off to make a comeback.



The problem is Widow Mines



Widowmines would be OP if the didn't have friendly fire,.. but they do. What Polt does with his mines do require micro, even if ya dont think so. I don't know how many times I have died from clusters of marines exploding to my own mines in favor of killing 3-4 lings. Even if the progamers makes it look easy, it isn't....



They may require micro, but far from the micro and awareness required to deflect them.

One second of macro or multitasking while your army is close to a widow mine (invisible too), results in disaster for the Zerg player more often than not.



Zergs got burrowed BL wich is close to a Widow mine in function



widow mine: cost 75/25. range 5. attack 125 (splash 40). auto-activates. regenerates attack.

burrowed baneling: cost 50/25. range 0.25 (splash 2.25). attack 20 (all splash, +15 light). needs manual detonation. suicide unit. plus you need to research burrow.

how does this look even remotely even? they basically took a zerg weapon and upgraded it by 100x for terran. and it attacks air, too!





#16 Amen



#16 drewskovitch, I think that's a good comparison except you are only comparing them to burrowed banelings. Widow mines can't roll around the battlefield chasing after enemy units or breaking down buildings in an instant.
That balances them out to some extent, but they were never meant to be compared apples to apples in the first place. They each play their own part in an entire composition of units.



#15

You talking about the Swarm Host? How can you seriously mean that a Swarm Host is close a widow mine in function?

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