They kinda missed it but in game one Snute got his overlords on the other side of the sniped, I think by a void ray. I wonder if his nydus worm could have been more effective if they hadn't. Anywho, great games!
Comment # 2 by Xeneonic
At one point iNcontroL asks Nathanias "how many Queens have died this game?". The response was "This overlay doesn't support that".
Can anyone explain to me why they're using this horrendous "overlay"? The other one is so much better, showing the mineral/gas income per minute and their worker/army supply ratio by itself makes that one a ton better than this one. Not to mention the other features that are awesome. Why go for something like this?
Spoilers below about these quarter finals(!)
These quarter finals really show that "foreigners" (As the casters put it) really stand no chance against these Korean top tier players. Lilbow was also taken out of blizzcon in 2015 in r16. He barely got to get the seat warm and he could leave already.
This is just testament to how much of a difference these players are. You see absolutely amazing matches in Proleague and SSL (Ironically, the veterans like HerO got taken out by newer players). But yeah when you see people like TY or Classic play against foreigners it's like seeing a tiger toying with a mouse with broken legs.
The only chance these "foreigners" have is when Koreans have jetlag or they go for a cheese build. And even then as shown here, even that doesn't always work.
Comment # 3 by MoistNugget
#2 cjhero is leagues above most koreans too, to be fair.
Comment # 4 by Xeneonic
I'd definitely place CJ_HerO in the top 3 protoss of the world (Competing with SoS and Classic for the #1 spot, I'd say)
But there are a couple of incredible koreans with the other races as well. TY is most likely the #1 Terran right now together with Maru. (I haven't seen Maru play, just going to watch the proleague where he's playing right now. If he's in a prime shape like he was in HoTS he'd definitely be competing for #1 with TY)
Byun would probably be #3 for Terran.
Then for Zerg I'd say Byul. Not sure who I'd place for top contenders. I haven't seen Life, Soo or Dark play enough to see if they'd match up with him.
Comment # 5 by tommunation
In game 4, 45:15, when hero shades the adepts into the base, the casters call it snute's blunder. But if you notice, he actually moves his forces AWAY in order to make it seem to hero that he is out of position. He then pulls them back while the adepts poorly engage with the roaches (of which there was no small amount). Kills 4 adepts, and the other two barely make it with their lives.
At the end of 3, I thought it was a throw. I mean, he has 2 adepts against speedlings. He could chrono one out to fill in the lines between minerals, HAS THE PYLON mothership core! Instead, he let's the 3 adepts die (NOT using neither mothership core, NOR overcharge!) as they are not grouped together, away from the minerals and probes, then doesn't have a full wall in the main!
After the symphonies that were games 1 and 2, sorry if my expectations seem unreal, but those are not even pro-level moves! Let alone Hero moves!
So then I see game 4, and now I'm worried. Is he throwing another one? Or did he have a stroke?
But seriously, games 1 and 2 just set the bar so...high!
Comment # 6 by DGTLGNGSTR
if you haven't seen life, dark or Soo play enough, i don't think you can comment on who is the best zerg :P
Comment # 7 by Xeneonic
@DGTLGNGSTR
I meant during LotV pro tournaments. For Zerg so far Rogue seems to be better than Byul and Byul slightly better than DRG if you sum up the tally from the amount of matches until now.
I still haven't seen Life, Dark or Soo play enough in LotV to have any indication as to where they'd be (Though Soo seems to be on the lower end of the spectrum)
But it's only been a bit over a month so pretty much _anyone_ can hardly judge who is the better player.
It's too much variance the first month. Some get cheesed, some try to cheese and fail etc.
Comment # 8 by Kyro2
Is it just me or is the audio a second or two ahead of the video?
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They kinda missed it but in game one Snute got his overlords on the other side of the sniped, I think by a void ray. I wonder if his nydus worm could have been more effective if they hadn't. Anywho, great games!
At one point iNcontroL asks Nathanias "how many Queens have died this game?". The response was "This overlay doesn't support that".
Can anyone explain to me why they're using this horrendous "overlay"? The other one is so much better, showing the mineral/gas income per minute and their worker/army supply ratio by itself makes that one a ton better than this one. Not to mention the other features that are awesome. Why go for something like this?
Spoilers below about these quarter finals(!)
These quarter finals really show that "foreigners" (As the casters put it) really stand no chance against these Korean top tier players. Lilbow was also taken out of blizzcon in 2015 in r16. He barely got to get the seat warm and he could leave already.
This is just testament to how much of a difference these players are. You see absolutely amazing matches in Proleague and SSL (Ironically, the veterans like HerO got taken out by newer players). But yeah when you see people like TY or Classic play against foreigners it's like seeing a tiger toying with a mouse with broken legs.
The only chance these "foreigners" have is when Koreans have jetlag or they go for a cheese build. And even then as shown here, even that doesn't always work.
#2 cjhero is leagues above most koreans too, to be fair.
I'd definitely place CJ_HerO in the top 3 protoss of the world (Competing with SoS and Classic for the #1 spot, I'd say)
But there are a couple of incredible koreans with the other races as well. TY is most likely the #1 Terran right now together with Maru. (I haven't seen Maru play, just going to watch the proleague where he's playing right now. If he's in a prime shape like he was in HoTS he'd definitely be competing for #1 with TY)
Byun would probably be #3 for Terran.
Then for Zerg I'd say Byul. Not sure who I'd place for top contenders. I haven't seen Life, Soo or Dark play enough to see if they'd match up with him.
In game 4, 45:15, when hero shades the adepts into the base, the casters call it snute's blunder. But if you notice, he actually moves his forces AWAY in order to make it seem to hero that he is out of position. He then pulls them back while the adepts poorly engage with the roaches (of which there was no small amount). Kills 4 adepts, and the other two barely make it with their lives.
At the end of 3, I thought it was a throw. I mean, he has 2 adepts against speedlings. He could chrono one out to fill in the lines between minerals, HAS THE PYLON mothership core! Instead, he let's the 3 adepts die (NOT using neither mothership core, NOR overcharge!) as they are not grouped together, away from the minerals and probes, then doesn't have a full wall in the main!
After the symphonies that were games 1 and 2, sorry if my expectations seem unreal, but those are not even pro-level moves! Let alone Hero moves!
So then I see game 4, and now I'm worried. Is he throwing another one? Or did he have a stroke?
But seriously, games 1 and 2 just set the bar so...high!
if you haven't seen life, dark or Soo play enough, i don't think you can comment on who is the best zerg :P
@DGTLGNGSTR
I meant during LotV pro tournaments. For Zerg so far Rogue seems to be better than Byul and Byul slightly better than DRG if you sum up the tally from the amount of matches until now.
I still haven't seen Life, Dark or Soo play enough in LotV to have any indication as to where they'd be (Though Soo seems to be on the lower end of the spectrum)
But it's only been a bit over a month so pretty much _anyone_ can hardly judge who is the better player.
It's too much variance the first month. Some get cheesed, some try to cheese and fail etc.
Is it just me or is the audio a second or two ahead of the video?
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