Byun vs Dark

Jee, I wonder why they're called gglisks.



ok one man army aka SNAKE vs GOKU lets see this game,so excited







Yeah balance is off, buffed queen makes ultra a bit too easy to reach it seems.



You'd think Blizzard would have learned its lesson back in WoL when queens allowed Zerg to tech to BL/infestor too easily. It's honestly the same thing all over again. Zerg needs a little bit more midgame strength and a severely nerfed late game. It's ridiculous how much ultralisks change the course of the game every time they come out.



Yeah, and the value they bring in these prolonged fights is huge, especially with invincible nydus (who ever thought that was a good idea). In history of SC2 terran players has been improving their micro over and over, and bringing so much value out of bio, to counteract this zerg is buffed over and over. Zerg has never reached that level of micro, macro and the correct choice of units is enough, nowadays a maxed out zerg army can usually attack into sieged liberators, tanks, ghost snipe and burrowed widowmines splitting bio and come up on top, with basically Attack Move, free fungals and insane value free biles.



Zerg has never needed to reach that level of micro, that should read, instead they are buffed before that level of play is necessary from the players.



Late game Zerg armies aren't ever attack moved by good players. You mentioned fungals and biles right after saying that. That's a very cost effective combination but it does take speed and precision to pull it off. Terran bio is definitely more micro-intensive but to say that Zerg is the attack-move race does little more than to broadcast your ignorance of how Zerg works.



I did not want to use the phrase Attack Move, cause that is an insult to the player. And normal back and forth ling-bling is micro intensive from both sides, but once ultras hit the field and zerg has got an economy going they seem unstoppable, the units just trade too well. Dark is playing very well, never over-committing but I think Zerg has had it too easy historically, never reached their true potential cause they never needed to.



Now when players are starting to use all new tool at their disposal, nydus, drops and mass queen, even the best terran micro in the world is not enough, Byun did make a few mistakes, that beeing said.



Watching dark running away from stimmed bio with ultras had me wondering why they are so fast and mobile. I mean if they're big and tanky shouldn't they be slower?



First off, Dark is the best sc2 player out there right now, maybe ever. It probably DOES have something to do with the fact that he plays Zerg.

Zerg is SUPPOSED to be better than the other races. The whole storyline hinges on that fact. Terran are supposed to be hopeless and divided, and Protoss are supposed to be too damned proud to teach their zealots how to shoot a gun.

Kerrigan wouldnt be such a b1tch if she wasn't OP. the swarm wouldn't be so damned despicable either. That's why we are supposed to celebrate when the swarm loses. We shouldn't fight with one another (terrans and protoss), we should take a lesson from the friendship of Raynor and Fenix and put our differences aside to COMPLETELY DESTROY the swarm! Stop accepting their surrender, obliterate all hatcheries, dig up every square millimeter of creep, and MOST OF ALL destroy those damned spore crawlers! THAT is the most OP unit of the game, their value far exceeds that of any other unit, AND WORST OF ALL their death animation is very unrewarding. After focus firing 2 medivacs worth of marines on one of those hated structures for longer than a hatchery takes, our only reward is a tiny sputter of zerg blood? We should have massive firework explosions! DEATH TO THE SWARM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Also, I disagree about the lack of zerg micro. They seem to do a pretty good job with their mutas. Protoss are notorious for letting their pheonix fly over any anti-air, or leaving them to just sit outside the base and die. If protoss microed their pheonix like zerg do mutas, i think they'd be so OP that the unit would get nerfed. terrans could also take a lesson on air unit micro, sieging up their liberators in on one pixel for easy bile snipes (same with widow mines, oddly)



@tommunation "Zerg is SUPPOSED to be better than the other races. The whole storyline hinges on that fact. [and then continues ranting offtopic]"

You just prevented me from ever taking you serious.



imo, Starcraft 2 is still not balance, Terran players have to micro much more than Zerg players in late game, not to mention that the Zerg can just run away forever and use nydus tactic to destroy terran's eco.



Tommunation is an Terran Fan Boy ... every Post from him is against Zerg..




F@cking bullsh1t. Byun, still the best.



All this whining about OP ultralisks. But yet nobody bothered pointing out that Dark's economy was 2x as good for most of that game. He was quick about shutting down Byun's 4th expansion even when he was getting attacked, and if Byun had a better economy to produce more, he would have won.



#16 typical binary tribal reasoning, I'm not for any race, I'm just against zerg. It's tough not to be, considering what they did to ENTIRE PLANETS.

This guy gets what I'm saying:
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/8344294839



OMG A ZERG WON A GAME NERF ZERG



Just wanna say great cast by W & B. As always. Passionate but n'est t too much just the way it sd be and always such a pleasure to listen to. You guys rock, great team, great analyses and great casting overall. Thanks !!!!




When Byun beat Dark in the GSL season, no one complained about nerfing zerg. But when Dark wins a series that was 50/50 up until the last minute of the last game, suddenly zerg needs nerfed.

People are saying terran need to have micro more late game, and ignore the fact that zerg is completely underwhelming in the early game and every drone made and larvae spent can mean a loss within the first 8 miunutes.
Terran certainly doesnt suffer from that knife-edge balancing act when they can make 1 seige tank and hold off any early zerg/protoss all in.



Byun's marines couldn't hard counter ultralisks? Balance is definitely off!

I'll pose a simple question: Dark is probably the best TvZ zerg right now. If he couldn't make ultralisks, do you think he would ever win a single game against Byun?

I'm not saying the game balance is good, but let's keep perspective here. As long as Terran's 50 mineral marines counter every zerg unit other than ultralisk, Zerg needs the ultralisk.

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