Grubby vs DropZone

interesting game. did not quite get your mining story. counting scvs, isn't there a timing also involved? you mean when the orbital gets launched right?



@lifesized Easiest way is to just look for when the OC Starts. That is when they will have 15 SCV's; once you get fast at counting you can do it earlier relatively easy and learn the earlier timings.

But when the OC Starts, there should be 14 SCV's mining and the one SCV away finishing the barracks.

-- 8 Mineral Patches
-- 14 Workers
-- Max 2 Workers per Patch

What that means is there will either be:

-- 6 Mining Pairs and 2 Solo Miners
-- 7 Mining Pairs and 0 Solo Miners

I find it easiest to look for the Solo Miners, if you can only find 1 then neither of the above scenario's checks out so 14 SCV's are not mining and something funny is up. Of course they could do a 16 OC, the easiest way to know if that is the case is the time it starts or if the OC Starts building the second a SCV comes out.

Hopefully that helps you! Anyone else who watches the VOD please let me know if I made sense in the actual video; so I know if I need to go over it some more.



Another great cast by IPP. I hope Dropzone watches it, because he could learn a lot.



IPP



What do you mean Dropzone could learn a lot?? he completely outplayed grubby, was constantly up in supply and workers. Toss is so imbalanced it is a joke. Only toss could go for cheese at start and still beable to produce immortalls and more temps. The most skilless race for some reasons gets the most buffs




@Ipp ty for explaining those details matter the most

@muzza he never outplayed grubby.
he could tho by making banshee's and take out probes all day long (like Ipp also mentioned kill the probes)
but he stayed on the MMM like most terran





Grubby matches are siiiick lately. ;)



Muzza, nope. Grubby's economy was behind all the time because of his failed gambit. He managed to win despite this because his micro made him much more cost-effective because Dropzone failed at killing probes.

(Another thing Dropzone could learn is manners.)



Storms, man. Ridiculous.




@Jabberwockee Grubby wasn't behind in econ; I think I show the resources spent that game? If I didn't Grubby mined 2k more gas and Dropzone mined 6k more minerals.

Keep in mind 50 SCV's is "over saturation" for 2 bases, so anything beyond that is 1/2 of an SCV. I don't believe that DropZone was ever mining off of 3 bases simultaneously; while Grubby was majority of the game.

Additionally, Bio trades effectively against mineral untis, not gas. So Grubby spending more on gas and controlling those special units very well more than makes up for it. Look at the HT->Ghost Count or Feedback/Storm -> EMP/Snipe.



the only reason grubby won was because he is protoss and his units are free. Whats this crap " terrran stay on bio the whole game " what else can we do? go to a mech switch, we have to build 5 factorys and start upgrades. Blizzard ruins mech for terran vs toss buy giving toss more buffs and nurfing tanks and helions, then rubbing it in by buffing immortals. Stop saying grubby controlled his units well. Try emping compared to storms and see what is harder. Toss are a joke thats why they are the most popular race because they can win playing shit like this. I think dropzone was really well mannered i would of told grubby a lot worse having to play like that to win




so... when you see tons of speedlots and no stalkers you make more marines? come on

on some drops from the terran he never picked up his units in time letting a lot of units die

loads of toss players struggle against the constant attacks from terran

also the MMM was alway's close to each other
no good split up from the units making it harder to do loads of damage with storms




wow, intense game



I think dropzone would've won this if he'd just dropped that 3rd base faster. He sees a giant probe transfer at like 13:30 and it's not until practically 3 minutes later that he's finally engaging the base, should've just taken a medivac or 2 and shut it down right away.

P.S. storm is silly

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